Simplifying OpenId
Johannes Ernst
jernst+lists.danga.com at netmesh.us
Mon Jan 9 18:34:32 UTC 2006
So I take it, once we successfully communicated the answer to this
question to you, you'll be joining YADIS and help make it a success?
On Jan 8, 2006, at 11:35, Dick Hardt wrote:
> I don't see the path for how YADIS provides a "clean foundation"
> for building user-controlled identity. Would you elaborate on that
> Johannes?
>
> I get the protocol discovery, but still think that <link rel= >
> works fine for that.
>
> btw: if the value of rel was a URI, then the name space issue of
> what the <link> tag is all about is dealt with.
>
> On 6-Jan-06, at 4:49 PM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
>
>> Exactly, why do something cleanly if a hack is just half as good? ;-)
>>
>> But for those on this list who are still puzzled by this question:
>> because YADIS provides a clean foundation to build on top of.
>> Authentication against a website -- like OpenID does today and LID
>> and friends -- is probably somewhere in the area of 1% of what the
>> identity visionaries (Google "identity gang") are envisioning that
>> user-controlled identity will turn into:
>>
>> Disintermediating eBay would be closer to the 100% than the 0%,
>> and that's only one of the examples.
>>
>> And one can't hope to build the 100% if one starts kludging after
>> 1% of the work is done. So that's why we all agree that YADIS is
>> needed.
>>
>> (Sorry if you think that I'm continually stating and restating the
>> very very obvious, I'm an earthling after all, dear Ford Prefect)
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2006, at 16:37, Martin Atkins wrote:
>>
>>> Johannes Ernst wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let's define yourself a new YADIS capability ... and you are
>>>> instantly
>>>> able to participate in the same framework. That doesn't mean
>>>> that your
>>>> new SSO can instantly be used to log into LiveJournal -- but it
>>>> means
>>>> it opens up a defined path for Relying Parties to recognize
>>>> "your" URLs
>>>> and do something smart with it...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course, the same could be said for adding an element to the
>>> HTML HEAD:
>>> <link rel="alexid.server" href="http://www.not-an-openid-
>>> server.com/">
>>>
>>> Why do we need YADIS, again? :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (I'm just joking, by the way!)
>>
>> Johannes Ernst
>> NetMesh Inc.
>>
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>> http://netmesh.info/jernst
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>>
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>>
Johannes Ernst
NetMesh Inc.
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