On 2005/07/01, at 2:28 PM, Carl Howells wrote: It seems that the underlying issue with using very low token expiration times to implement single signoff is that you are essentially creating a polling system to detect signoff. Something like that creates a lot of unnecessary traffic, and might be a real issue for some higher-use id servers.0000,6361,1210 I don't know if there is any real relevance in this discussion at this point, since it depends on how the larger debate over this goes. Even so, I think a polling approach to single signoff isn't the way to go. Carl You are right that polling is not the way to go, but instead, why not just wait until the ID server sends an http-post that tells the consumer to remove all session info on your user. Of course there would have to be safe-gaurds in this approach. One being if the ID server is really the ID server who governs over that id. I guess it should be said like this: It's debatable on how we're going to get there, but even still, what's easiest for the user? Easily logging into everywhere he or she goes and sluggishly going through many consumer UIs to logout. Or, easily logging in and then logging out through through their ID server, where they are very comfortable with one UI -- the ID server's UI. If you think it's a hassle to log-in with many systems, why make it a hassle to log-out everywhere? OpenID should be a full-circle, complete solution! This single sign-on only stuff is really silly. -Kris