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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Joaquin,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From the general use of "relying
party" I have seen, the photo site definitely qualifies. They are relying
on the claims in the YADIS document (the identity-based information) to provide
a service to the end-user.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All websites that "consume"
identity documents (YCD/XRD) or security tokens (SAML, OpenID, LID) are relying
parties.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In general, I'd suggest that YADIS
consider standardizing on the lexicon being developed at the IdentityGang site:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <a
href="http://www.identitygang.org/Lexicon">http://www.identitygang.org/Lexicon</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A whole bunch of work on refining these
terms is going on there, and it crosses all the major identity
technology/standards initiatives that I know of.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>(Ironically "relying party" is
not on the lexicon page yet, however it has been proposed by Paul Trevithick, the
main "gardener" of that wiki. I'm cc'ing him to let him know the
discussion is going on over here.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=Drummond <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
yadis-bounces@lists.danga.com [mailto:yadis-bounces@lists.danga.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joaquin Miller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, <st1:date Year="2005"
Day="28" Month="11" ls="trans" w:st="on">November 28, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time
Minute="03" Hour="15" w:st="on">3:03 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> YADDIS list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> relying on what?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Would you say that in this case [below] the photo hosting site is a
"relying party"? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><br>
I wanted to say: No.<br>
<br>
And i fetched the definition we have posted to bolster my case:<br>
<br>
Relying Party.<br>
A server, website, other URL-located resource or application that uses a YADIS
URL (and the information accessible using a YADIS URL) provided by a Citizen.
The Relying Party discovers the capabilities of any provided YADIS URL
according to the YADIS <a
href="http://yadis.org/wiki/Capability_Discovery_Protocol">Capability Discovery
Protocol</a>, and modifies its own behavior accordingly. <a
href="http://yadis.org/wiki/Terminology" eudora=autourl>http://yadis.org/wiki/Terminology<br>
<br>
</a>Sadly, the answer appears to be: Yes.<br>
<br>
I am reminded of back in the days when Man was known as Homo faber, the
toolmaker. Jane Goodall sent her periodic report to Leaky, and this one
described the mother teaching her daughter to make a tool for catching
termites. Leaky sent her a telegram: "Now we must redefine tool,
redefine man, or accept chimpanzees as humans." <br>
<br>
I suggest we redefine 'relying party,' to limit it to parties relying on
so-called "identity information."<br>
<br>
Of course, if our expectations come to pass, YADIS, OpenID, LID and the like
will grow and the day will soon come when our narrow 'relying party' definition
is just definition 1 a. among 1 b., 1 c., and 2. Then the answer will
again be: Yes.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Imagine that a website ... is using YADIS to declare the operations it
supports. In this case, it's the website that has the "identity", not
a person. Our photohosting site asks the user to enter a YADIS identity for
himself and the URL of the site to post to. The photohosting site then uses
YADIS capability discovery to find out what versions of the "post an entry
to a weblog" capability are supported.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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