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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Hi Dick, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Ok - my fault - it's too detailed for the
presentation I have to do. <BR>Did I understand the gist of it?
:<BR> <BR>ID2.0/user-centric identity is a part of web2.0.
Superficially regarded it is just a lightening for the users, while registering
for websites. Instead of Password and Username I'm logging in with an URL. But
the most important difference is: it is open and distributed in contrast to
closed and dependent to a domain.<BR> <BR>to explain my thoughts a little
detour:<BR>In my community ID2.0/user-centric identity is not known. Everything
they and I knonw are praises of a newly designed presentation of Dick Hardt-
nothing more. Moreover the ID2.0/user-centric identity is associated by the
people with the keyword "citizen out of glass". And with this the end of their
privacy. The idea is (wrongly) understood in the way, that all websites now will
have acces to all my data.<BR> <BR>But if I understood it right the
complement is the case: By having the choice which data I want to release my
privacy is saved.<BR>Am I right?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Petra<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Hi Petra</DIV>
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<DIV>There are a few different models on how your email address and postal
address can be provided to Amazon. One of the concepts behind Identity 2.0 is
enabling the user to easily provide identity data.</DIV>
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<DIV>The model you describe below is what I would call a "pull" model, where
Amazon is pulling the data from your identifier. I'm a proponent of the "push"
model, where the user sees what Amazon is asking for, and can select which
information to release.</DIV>
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<DIV>-- Dick</DIV>
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<DIV>On 1-Mar-06, at 8:53 AM, Petra Sütterlin wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dick,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">did I understand the
following right?:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have an e-mail account and a
post-adress on my own website. They are for example marked with tags
(similar to the tags in the html-header in which I write the servername
(i.e.: <link rel="openid.server" href="<A
href="http://bob.com/openid-server.app">http://bob.com/openid-server.app</A>">)).
Because of that the amazon-server searches this one and asks me to release
the informations from there.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And YADIS offers the
possibility, that I'm not anymore dependent to a special ID 2.0-modell and I
have the free choice.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It does it like that, because it
knows that openID marks the e-mail-adress with a name-tag, while TypeKey or
Sxip uses "e-mail-adress" for it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Am I right?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And
thanks! Mike Neuenschwander already send me his report.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Petra</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 13px arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Hi Petra</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Identity 1.0 is a domain-centric model. </DIV>
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<DIV>If ebay and amazon were using an ID2.0 model, then they may still
require your email and post address, but rather then having to type them
in, you would be prompted to release them.</DIV>
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<DIV>The Burton group has a report on user centric identity. Mike
Neuenschwander is the author. It is not a public document, but you can ask
Mike (cc'ed) about it.</DIV>
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<DIV>-- Dick</DIV>
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<DIV>On 28-Feb-06, at 1:25 PM, Petra Sütterlin wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello to
everybody,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT: 13px arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Many thanks for the
immediate answer and the links. I'm surprised how good the subject
already has been presentated. I did not expect it like
this.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial></FONT><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I am still looking for
is more general information about ID2.0 because I will probably have to
answer the following questions:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-What is the difference
between ID 1.0 and ID 2.0 ?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-If e-bay and amazon also
applied the ID 2.0 system, will I still have to submit my e-mail and
postadress? And in this case I just don't have to fill in password and
Username?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe the answers are
already hidden in the links, but I did not find them,
yet.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial></FONT><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best regards and happy
greetings from germany</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Petra
Sütterlin</SPAN></SPAN><BR
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