<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Petra<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>There are a few different models on how your email address and postal address can be provided to Amazon. One of the concepts behind Identity 2.0 is enabling the user to easily provide identity data.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The model you describe below is what I would call a "pull" model, where Amazon is pulling the data from your identifier. I'm a proponent of the "push" model, where the user sees what Amazon is asking for, and can select which information to release.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-- Dick</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 1-Mar-06, at 8:53 AM, Petra Sütterlin wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><FONT face="Verdana" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "></SPAN><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Dick,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">did I understand the following right?:</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">I have an e-mail account and a post-adress on my own website. They are for example marked with tags (similar to the tags in the html-header in which I write the servername (i.e.: <link rel="openid.server" href="<A href="http://bob.com/openid-server.app">http://bob.com/openid-server.app</A>">)). Because of that the amazon-server searches this one and asks me to release the informations from there.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">And YADIS offers the possibility, that I'm not anymore dependent to a special ID 2.0-modell and I have the free choice.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">It does it like that, because it knows that openID marks the e-mail-adress with a name-tag, while TypeKey or Sxip uses "e-mail-adress" for it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Am I right?</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">And thanks! Mike Neuenschwander already send me his report.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; "><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Petra</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hi Petra</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Identity 1.0 is a domain-centric model. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If ebay and amazon were using an ID2.0 model, then they may still require your email and post address, but rather then having to type them in, you would be prompted to release them.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The Burton group has a report on user centric identity. Mike Neuenschwander is the author. It is not a public document, but you can ask Mike (cc'ed) about it.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-- Dick</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 28-Feb-06, at 1:25 PM, Petra Sütterlin wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><DIV><FONT size="2"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Hello to everybody,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "></SPAN><DIV dir="ltr"><DIV dir="ltr" style="FONT: 13px arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; "><FONT size="2"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr" style="FONT: 13px arial; font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; ">Many thanks for the immediate answer and the links. I'm surprised how good the subject already has been presentated. I did not expect it like this.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">What I am still looking for is more general information about ID2.0 because I will probably have to answer the following questions:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">-What is the difference between ID 1.0 and ID 2.0 ?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">-If e-bay and amazon also applied the ID 2.0 system, will I still have to submit my e-mail and postadress? And in this case I just don't have to fill in password and Username?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Maybe the answers are already hidden in the links, but I did not find them, yet.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial"></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "> </SPAN></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Best regards and happy greetings from germany</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Petra Sütterlin</SPAN></SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">Philognosie</SPAN></SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; ">My-Lands</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></FONT><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>