Hey Larry, this is a VERY INTERESTING subject!,<br>
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A constitutional amendment to have virtual personality as a new human
right, defines *presence* as a subcomponent of virtual personality
(identity). Take a look here:<br>
<a href="http://cis-berkman.editme.com/JacoLexiconChange2">http://cis-berkman.editme.com/JacoLexiconChange2</a><br>
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Today you do not see many presence (telecom) people as members of the
Yadis, IDGang or other identity related mailing list, but this will
definitely change, when different camps will collide with reality(2) in
the future.... ;-)<br>
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(1) Telecomm/presence, but also others camps like Health, Government, Commerce, etc<br>
(2) Technology is massively bringing human ubiquity.<br>
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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/23/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Larry Velez</b> <<a href="mailto:larry@sinu.com">larry@sinu.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Hi all,<br><br>I just got off the phone with a company that I was introduced to me by<br>its association with Jeff Pulver, a leading thinker in the VOIP space<br>and who in the 10 minutes we spoke when I met him taught me more about
<br>the telecom industry than I had learned until that point. I reached out<br>to Tello to see how our customers could use their solutions.<br><br>The company is <a href="http://www.tello.com">http://www.tello.com</a><br>
<br>"Tello provides a hosted Instant Communications and Collaboration<br>service, with complementary client applications, that allows users to<br>instantly locate, contact, and connect with others across their business
<br>communities over the different systems, devices and applications they<br>already use.<br><br>Tello makes this happen by "federating" the different real time<br>communication systems in the market and has an open platform allowing
<br>any other application to run on top of it and to serve as the core user<br>interface, launch from it instantaneously within a live communication<br>session, or trigger it so users can find their contacts at critical<br>
times.<br>This means that application engines and programs like iotum work with,<br>and don't compete with Tello. Even Microsoft's LCS or Skype could work<br>with it and use it. It is meant to be a platform, and agnostic, not
<br>parochial."<br><br>This sounds a whole lot like the identity problem and what Kim Cameron,<br>Sxip, Yadis, et al. ate tackling.<br><br>Why do you guys think they seem to be off in their own circle and not<br>talking about the identity problem just the 'presence problem'? Are
<br>there other camps of thinking out there like this camp approaching the<br>same problems from different angles?<br><br>Seems to me you have to beat the identity problem before worrying about<br>presence.<br><br>| Larry Velez |
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